For me , because I had recently been visualizing language as hands with fingers , reaching out , and either being burned , or allowed to hold , touch , feel, and offer - when I read the movie review about the fingers being cut off , the idea that hands with fingers are the SAME as hands with opposing thumbs - the hands just touch into the material world, but language reaches into the forest of human brain trees -- Understanding that lying is quite normal these days , especially to children , and totally normal to children as their language is developing , made me see this correlation , yet I do not know if that is what the film maker intended , but the correlation between the talking of the talker friend , and the friend who wanted to have silence to play music , who felt that the only way to explain the seriousness to his friend , of the talk abuse , was to abuse his own hands , and sever the digits . I recently dropped a "Friend " because I KNEW that there was NO WAY I was going to explain to her the complexity of my life , and demand the respect from her that would mean our relation - glitch was a relation SHIP , and thus a friend ship . It was impossible for me to fight her mind set . Just as the musician found with the talker , the talker was not going to give up , ever , even to the burning of houses and death of donkeys and loss of his own SISTER , he was just not going to stop . As maybe , now , should do I !! ha ha
the depth of the meaning of this movie , coming from you , someone who is dedicated to listening to the body - must have been so intense . no wonder you wrote about it . I had wanted to see the movie but am really glad that I listened to your translation of it first . I recently watched "the Whale" and was able to see it through that filter of symbols and deeper meanings , and it affected me at a profound level . Thank you for explaining it , its so genius it always makes my mind wonder if the film maker or script writer can actually be that genius , that they can depict such a deep thought - consciously . I guess that is what art is . In the bible there is the story of the woman at the well , jesus says that she has FIVE husbands , and to go back to her world and sin no more , and in that the message is about the five senses , that to attain the perfected reality one must stop being ruled by the senses - as he calls it " husbands . " But in this case , the two FREINDS , are not married , they have an agreement , and to me the idea is that the violin player is the body , and the talker is the mind , neurotic and wasting time . The body keeps sacrificing very important things , fingers are so precious to us , to get the mind to pay attention , but the mind instead wants to burn the house down but save the DOG , - the dog being subject to the command of man , -- this movie is very profound -- then the DONKEY of the talker chokes on the discarded fingers and DIES - the donkey being like "Oh brother donkey " of one of the saints thanking his body for carrying his mind all the years of his life , but in this case , the donkey / body of the talker actually dies . And his sister leaves . I think this movie is a serious call to attention to the fact that we are asking our bodies to stop feeling and stop being able to make music , by not respecting the silence and seriousness of the relationship that we are experiencing with our body . It is the music maker . The talker is there to expand reality , not to control and maintain it . There is a guy Dispensa who says Ideas are electrical , but emotions are magnetic - The musician wanted to experience that magnetic field , but the talker wanted to just keep zapping the environment with his polite but controlling story . The genius of having the friend cut the fingers off to rid himself of the GRIP of the language game that was strangling him , its like such a serious way to explain this relationship between language and the body . I have been studying the dreaded narcissism , and realized that it develops at the same time that language is formatting . That language is the SAME as hands reaching out , except its sound reaching out into other humans . In the narcissist , the words they use are not heard , don't work , or are silenced . They learn to use a strategy to spin their language in a way that works in the world around them, and to do that they develop an INNER persona , who is the guide , the intermediary between the external voice and the inner workings . So - when the Talker character in the story released and expressed his honest anger , it was his REAL voice , not his fake diplomatic voice that the Musician felt was drowing his life , drowning his time , and not actually representing the spirit of his friend . -- I really enjoyed contemplating the movie through your perception - thank you for bringing it into my sphere .
Thank you. Yes, I found the movie really struck me quite deeply and I'm still unravelling some of that...
.....the way that religion and meaning are interwoven in traditional society, and the way that modernity threatens our access to meaning.
....An underlying Nietzschean twist, where Colm's act of self-mutilation allows him to draw a line in the sand between the old, unfocused, underachieving self (Nietzsche's "last man") and the man he wants to become.
For me , because I had recently been visualizing language as hands with fingers , reaching out , and either being burned , or allowed to hold , touch , feel, and offer - when I read the movie review about the fingers being cut off , the idea that hands with fingers are the SAME as hands with opposing thumbs - the hands just touch into the material world, but language reaches into the forest of human brain trees -- Understanding that lying is quite normal these days , especially to children , and totally normal to children as their language is developing , made me see this correlation , yet I do not know if that is what the film maker intended , but the correlation between the talking of the talker friend , and the friend who wanted to have silence to play music , who felt that the only way to explain the seriousness to his friend , of the talk abuse , was to abuse his own hands , and sever the digits . I recently dropped a "Friend " because I KNEW that there was NO WAY I was going to explain to her the complexity of my life , and demand the respect from her that would mean our relation - glitch was a relation SHIP , and thus a friend ship . It was impossible for me to fight her mind set . Just as the musician found with the talker , the talker was not going to give up , ever , even to the burning of houses and death of donkeys and loss of his own SISTER , he was just not going to stop . As maybe , now , should do I !! ha ha
Yes, I could also relate to the sense of not being able to get space from another.
the depth of the meaning of this movie , coming from you , someone who is dedicated to listening to the body - must have been so intense . no wonder you wrote about it . I had wanted to see the movie but am really glad that I listened to your translation of it first . I recently watched "the Whale" and was able to see it through that filter of symbols and deeper meanings , and it affected me at a profound level . Thank you for explaining it , its so genius it always makes my mind wonder if the film maker or script writer can actually be that genius , that they can depict such a deep thought - consciously . I guess that is what art is . In the bible there is the story of the woman at the well , jesus says that she has FIVE husbands , and to go back to her world and sin no more , and in that the message is about the five senses , that to attain the perfected reality one must stop being ruled by the senses - as he calls it " husbands . " But in this case , the two FREINDS , are not married , they have an agreement , and to me the idea is that the violin player is the body , and the talker is the mind , neurotic and wasting time . The body keeps sacrificing very important things , fingers are so precious to us , to get the mind to pay attention , but the mind instead wants to burn the house down but save the DOG , - the dog being subject to the command of man , -- this movie is very profound -- then the DONKEY of the talker chokes on the discarded fingers and DIES - the donkey being like "Oh brother donkey " of one of the saints thanking his body for carrying his mind all the years of his life , but in this case , the donkey / body of the talker actually dies . And his sister leaves . I think this movie is a serious call to attention to the fact that we are asking our bodies to stop feeling and stop being able to make music , by not respecting the silence and seriousness of the relationship that we are experiencing with our body . It is the music maker . The talker is there to expand reality , not to control and maintain it . There is a guy Dispensa who says Ideas are electrical , but emotions are magnetic - The musician wanted to experience that magnetic field , but the talker wanted to just keep zapping the environment with his polite but controlling story . The genius of having the friend cut the fingers off to rid himself of the GRIP of the language game that was strangling him , its like such a serious way to explain this relationship between language and the body . I have been studying the dreaded narcissism , and realized that it develops at the same time that language is formatting . That language is the SAME as hands reaching out , except its sound reaching out into other humans . In the narcissist , the words they use are not heard , don't work , or are silenced . They learn to use a strategy to spin their language in a way that works in the world around them, and to do that they develop an INNER persona , who is the guide , the intermediary between the external voice and the inner workings . So - when the Talker character in the story released and expressed his honest anger , it was his REAL voice , not his fake diplomatic voice that the Musician felt was drowing his life , drowning his time , and not actually representing the spirit of his friend . -- I really enjoyed contemplating the movie through your perception - thank you for bringing it into my sphere .
Thank you. Yes, I found the movie really struck me quite deeply and I'm still unravelling some of that...
.....the way that religion and meaning are interwoven in traditional society, and the way that modernity threatens our access to meaning.
....An underlying Nietzschean twist, where Colm's act of self-mutilation allows him to draw a line in the sand between the old, unfocused, underachieving self (Nietzsche's "last man") and the man he wants to become.
Lots to unpack in there