Hi Dev - my (basic) understanding is that PVT doesn't just look at the VV engagement/health (though this is required for trauma/past healing), but that when this is functioning sufficiently well, it then needs the DV and/or SNS to engage with it (and be in regulation) to allow fuller healthy states.
So broadly VV (or 'social engagement system') + DV = healthy rest/pleasure (vs DV on its own = collapse etc); and VV + SNS = healthy excitement (vs SNS without VV = fight/flight etc).
DV + SNS without VV = Freeze, and I'm not sure what DV + SNS + VV equates to - probably a very funcational system with good range and variability?
Thanks, Mark. The book I read, or rather listened to, was Deb Dana's. It seemed very orientated towards the power of ventral vagal. Good to hear some different views.
Cool. I've been piecing bits of this together from various sources (I haven't come across Deb Dana's) for some time now. It's been a fast-evolving field for the last couple of years, and I don't doubt that current understanding will seem basic in the next few years.
My main sources have been Peter Levine, Bessel van der Kolk, Irene Lyon, Stephen Porges (of course), Stanley Rosenberg and have included a mixture of books, interviews and podcasts. On the practical side, Embodied Intimacy (Rachel and Buster) have done some teachings/workshops I've found helpful both in honing my understanding of the model and in useful exercises.
David Bercelli's Trauma Release Exercises are well known.
It would be interesting to see which things would work particularly well alongside Bioenergetics.
With Bioenergetics I tend to work more with grounding, for trauma. This heart-mind circuit, as I've called the VV, is great for getting people to talk about stuff. But personally I've always found the real work to be nearer the ground.
Hi Dev - my (basic) understanding is that PVT doesn't just look at the VV engagement/health (though this is required for trauma/past healing), but that when this is functioning sufficiently well, it then needs the DV and/or SNS to engage with it (and be in regulation) to allow fuller healthy states.
So broadly VV (or 'social engagement system') + DV = healthy rest/pleasure (vs DV on its own = collapse etc); and VV + SNS = healthy excitement (vs SNS without VV = fight/flight etc).
DV + SNS without VV = Freeze, and I'm not sure what DV + SNS + VV equates to - probably a very funcational system with good range and variability?
Thanks, Mark. The book I read, or rather listened to, was Deb Dana's. It seemed very orientated towards the power of ventral vagal. Good to hear some different views.
Cool. I've been piecing bits of this together from various sources (I haven't come across Deb Dana's) for some time now. It's been a fast-evolving field for the last couple of years, and I don't doubt that current understanding will seem basic in the next few years.
My main sources have been Peter Levine, Bessel van der Kolk, Irene Lyon, Stephen Porges (of course), Stanley Rosenberg and have included a mixture of books, interviews and podcasts. On the practical side, Embodied Intimacy (Rachel and Buster) have done some teachings/workshops I've found helpful both in honing my understanding of the model and in useful exercises.
David Bercelli's Trauma Release Exercises are well known.
It would be interesting to see which things would work particularly well alongside Bioenergetics.
With Bioenergetics I tend to work more with grounding, for trauma. This heart-mind circuit, as I've called the VV, is great for getting people to talk about stuff. But personally I've always found the real work to be nearer the ground.